Franklin Merrell-Wolff and Guenther Sommers begin their conversation with a discussion of the nature of good and evil. Wolff comments upon the role of knowledge and devotion in Fundamental Realization and he strongly emphasizes the need to tackle the “power problem” in order for religion to be effective. He goes on to comment upon the inadequacy of our language and grammar to express mystical states of consciousness. Wolff and Sommers continue with various personal remarks and conclude by noting the experience of loneliness that arises out of one’s inability to adequately express states of mystical consciousness.